Legislature(2001 - 2002)

03/16/2002 09:42 AM House FIN

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HOUSE BILL NO. 403                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     An Act making appropriations  for the operating and loan                                                                   
     program  expenses   of  state  government,  for  certain                                                                   
     programs,    and    to    capitalize    funds;    making                                                                   
     appropriations  under art. IX, sec.  17(c), Constitution                                                                   
     of the  State of Alaska, from the  constitutional budget                                                                   
     reserve fund; and providing for an effective date.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 404                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     An  Act  making  appropriations  for the  operating  and                                                                   
     capital    expenses    of   the    state's    integrated                                                                   
     comprehensive  mental health program; and  providing for                                                                   
     an effective date.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY & VETERANS AFFAIRS                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Agency-wide Unallocated Reduction                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DMVA#1                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Add Intent Language                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
"It is the  intent of the Legislature that  the Department of                                                                   
Military and Veterans Affairs  eliminate the Technologies and                                                                   
Special  Projects  position,  and  not  eliminate  the  State                                                                   
National Missile Defense Coordinator position."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder  explained that the choice  of elimination of                                                                   
the  National  Missile  Defense  Coordinator  position  would                                                                   
limit Alaska's  ability to respond to the  development of the                                                                   
National   Missile  Defense   activities  in   Alaska,  thus,                                                                   
associated economic development.   He thought that the duties                                                                   
of the  Technologies and Special Projects  should be absorbed                                                                   
within the Department.                                                                                                          
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to ADOPT DMVA#1.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft OBJECTED.  He stressed  that the effect                                                                   
would  affect how  the work was  done.   He advised  that the                                                                   
effect of the language could not be fully understood.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR:      Bunde, Foster, Harris, Hudson, Lancaster,                                                                        
               Whitaker, Mulder, Williams                                                                                       
OPPOSED:       Croft, Davies, Moses                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION PASSED (8-3).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION & PUBLIC FACILITIES                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
DOT/PF #3                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ADD:                                                                                                                          
     AGY:  Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      BRU:  Highways & Aviation                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      Component:  Northern Region                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      Fund Source                   Amount                                                                                  
      General Fund                  $1,044,200                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Davies MOVED  to ADOPT  DOT/PF #3.   Co-Chair                                                                   
Mulder OBJECTED.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  J. Davies explained that  the amendment would                                                                   
be used  to restore funding  and avoid closing  four Northern                                                                   
Region highway maintenance stations:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
  · Birch Lake      -     $135,000                                                                                              
  · Coldfoot        -     $150,000                                                                                              
  · Chitina         -     $371,700                                                                                              
  · Trims           -     $387,500                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He pointed out that services  would be greatly reduced in the                                                                   
Birch  Lake  area,  with   53  miles  of  Richardson  Highway                                                                   
responsibility  being spun  off  to the  Fairbanks and  Delta                                                                   
Stations.  Some  roads in that area would  be closed, and all                                                                   
would see  delays with implications for safety.   In addition                                                                   
to service failures, the  facilities would suffer maintenance                                                                   
problems.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies  added that closing the Trim Station                                                                   
on the Richardson  Highway another 35 miles  of roadway would                                                                   
see  curtailed  maintenance,  acutely  in  the  winter,  with                                                                   
repair work  limited to the  emergency calls only.   Shutting                                                                   
down  the  generator would  curtail  power  service to  other                                                                   
buildings nearby.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  J. Davies  pointed  out that  closing  of the                                                                   
Cold foot Station would  chiefly affect commercial traffic on                                                                   
the Dalton Highway and  local aviation facility service, with                                                                   
an increase  in safety concerns  for stranded vehicles.   The                                                                   
building will  react negatively to harsh  weather conditions,                                                                   
with increased maintenance requirements if it is closed.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  added  that  closing  the Chitina  Station  would  impact                                                                   
winter   service   for    local,   residential   and   school                                                                   
transportation  traffic on the Edgerton  Highway, in addition                                                                   
to summer dust control during the tourist season.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  J.  Davies  recommended accessing  the  motor                                                                   
fuel tax  to maintain the  road system throughout  the State.                                                                   
He  stressed the  importance of  maintaining the  fundamental                                                                   
infrastructure.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  J. Davies emphasized  that there is  going to                                                                   
be  a series  of problems  within the  budget that  relate to                                                                   
highway  maintenance.   He warned that  the State  is heading                                                                   
toward  an emergency  supplemental  down  the road.   If  the                                                                   
responsibilities  are to  be transferred  to local  entities,                                                                   
those locations  will need time to plan  for that obligation.                                                                 
He  urged   that  the   Committee  reconsider   the  proposed                                                                   
reduction.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder spoke against  the amendment.   He commented                                                                   
that  it  is  not a  new  proposal.    Each year,  the  State                                                                   
attempts  to solve the  problem for those  local communities.                                                                   
He noted that  the Department should be able  to address that                                                                   
concern,  pointing out the  unallocated reduction  within the                                                                   
Department's  budget.   He commented  that  he did  not agree                                                                   
with the characterization  proposed by Representative Davies,                                                                   
suggesting that  this is the first stop along  the process of                                                                   
considerations within that  Department.  He indicated that it                                                                   
was his intent to work  with the Department of Transportation                                                                   
& Public Facilities.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative    Croft   countered   statements    made   by                                                                   
Representative  J.  Davies,   pointing  out  the  significant                                                                   
impact   to  the  Department   of  Transportation   &  Public                                                                   
Facilities  that the reductions would  bring.  A  cut of that                                                                   
magnitude reaches throughout the State in each district.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder  interjected that he did not  intend to claim                                                                   
that  the Department  was unfairly  targeting certain  areas.                                                                   
He  admitted that  there  will be  statewide  impacts.   When                                                                   
making   a  general   fund  reduction,   the  Department   of                                                                   
Transportation  & Public  Facilities is  one Department  that                                                                   
would  be dramatically  impacted.   He reminded  members that                                                                   
there is  a revenue problem  in the State of  Alaska and that                                                                   
fiscal restraint  needs to be  displayed to the  public.  The                                                                   
State is living its' fiscal means.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Davies  voiced concern  with  impacts to  the                                                                   
Northern  Region,  referencing  the  vast area  the  Northern                                                                   
region encompasses.   He added  that there are  other reasons                                                                   
why closing maintenance  stations should not be possible.  He                                                                   
stressed that  the proposed reduction  was not feasible.   He                                                                   
asked  to   hear  from  the  Department   regarding  how  the                                                                   
reduction will impact the State.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
KURT    PARKIN,    DEPUTY   COMMISSIONER,    DEPARTMENT    OF                                                                   
TRANSPORTATION   &  PUBLIC   FACILITIES,  advised   that  the                                                                   
proposed   cuts  were  four   times  greater  than   the  one                                                                   
implemented  in  FY00  when four  maintenance  stations  were                                                                   
closed.   He noted  that the cut  would be  spread throughout                                                                   
the  entire State.   The  Northern region  will experience  a                                                                   
large portion of the hit, as it is the largest region.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Davies urged that  the amendment  be adopted.                                                                   
He  reminded  members that  it  does not  make  sense not  to                                                                   
maintain  the infrastructure.   People are paying  motor fuel                                                                   
taxes and expect that the  roads will be maintained.  That is                                                                   
one of  the fundamental  jobs of government.   If  revenue is                                                                   
taken  into  consideration,  these responsibilities  must  be                                                                   
addressed.  Representative  J. Davies advised that the budget                                                                   
reductions were being driven from a wrong point of view.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  J. Davies  urged that  all the  amendments be                                                                   
considered together as they each address "real" concerns.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Harris admitted  that the reductions do affect                                                                   
the roads  that he  uses almost daily.   He  recommended that                                                                   
there  be  a  discussion   on  how  to  use  the  implemented                                                                   
reductions.   He noted that  the subcommittees had  asked the                                                                   
departments  how  to use  the  reductions  and  that now  the                                                                   
departments  are  evaluating  what  the most  important  cuts                                                                   
would be.  He added that the choices have been made.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR:      Davies, Moses, Croft                                                                                             
OPPOSED:       Foster, Harris, Hudson, Lancaster, Whitaker,                                                                     
               Bunde, Williams, Mulder                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (3-8).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DOT/PF #10                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADD:                                                                                                                          
    AGY: Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                     
    BRU: Marine Highway System                                                                                                  
    Component: Marine Vessel Operations                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
    Fund Source                     Amount                                                                                  
    1076 Marine Hwy Fund            $4,234,400                                                                                  
    AMEND: Section 15 to read:                                                                                                  
    The sum of $45,769,800 [$40,968,400] is appropriated                                                                      
    Alaska marine highway system fund (AS 19.65.060).                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft MOVED  to ADOPT  DOT/PF #10.   Co-Chair                                                                   
Mulder OBJECTED.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft explained that this  two-part amendment                                                                   
would:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
  · Restore operating weeks of the Alaska Marine Highway                                                                        
     System to the FY99/00 planned service levels;                                                                              
  · Add new service by the Metlakatla shuttle in the Spring                                                                     
     2003;                                                                                                                      
  · Support fuel price increases from FY99/00; and                                                                              
  · Fund the general fund portion of the FY03 labor                                                                             
     contracts.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft pointed  out that  the Municipality  of                                                                   
Anchorage  does support  full  funding of  the Alaska  Marine                                                                   
Highway Transportation  System.  He emphasized  that the Taku                                                                   
would be  off for  33 weeks.   Through the proposed  cut, the                                                                   
Bartlett would  be taken off line.  He  informed members that                                                                   
the State  of Alaska built  that ferry system when  there was                                                                   
not  much money  in the  State  coffers knowing  that  it was                                                                   
essential for  a portion of  the State.  He warned  that this                                                                   
Legislature was "dis-mantling" that system.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder  admitted  that  the arguments  provided  by                                                                   
Representative  Croft were persuasive.   He  interjected that                                                                   
there is  $80 million cost  dollars of which only  half comes                                                                   
from  program receipts.    He emphasized  that  the State  is                                                                   
attempting  to provide  a level  of service  given  the funds                                                                   
that are available.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He acknowledged that many  of the seats are currently booked.                                                                   
The projected  hope is to  provide the same level  of service                                                                   
as provided last  year.  He added that all  highway areas are                                                                   
taking reductions this year.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hudson emphasized  that the proposed reduction                                                                   
is the  most problematic one  in the budget.   The net effect                                                                   
reduces  48 full-time  positions in  Ketchikan.   He compared                                                                   
the  ferry  system to  the  road system  throughout  Northern                                                                   
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 02 - 51, Side B                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hudson stated  that the  Department  would be                                                                   
hit two  times.  He  urged that  a solution be  addressed and                                                                   
that  there be alternative  means for  the State to  get more                                                                   
revenue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR:      Moses, Croft, Davies, Hudson, Williams                                                                           
OPPOSED:       Whitaker, Bunde, Foster, Harris, Lancaster,                                                                      
               Mulder                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (5-6).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DPS#5                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADD:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AGENCY:   Department of Public Safety                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     BRU:      VPSO Program                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Component:Program Support                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Fund Source                    Amount                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     General Fund                   $1,129,000                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Davies MOVED  to ADOPT DPS#5.  Co-Chair Mulder                                                                   
OBJECTED.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  J.  Davies stated  that  the amendment  would                                                                   
restore  the general  fund  reduction to  the Village  Public                                                                   
Safety  Officer (VPSO)  support  component.   He pointed  out                                                                   
that the House Finance  Subcommittee proposal would result in                                                                   
the elimination  of six of  the nine State  Trooper positions                                                                 
funded in that component.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  J. Davies advised that the  troopers were the                                                                   
first  responders to felony  crimes throughout  Rural Alaska.                                                                   
The  VPSO's  do  not  have  authority  to  make  arrests  and                                                                   
investigate felonies.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  J.  Davies  reiterated  that  State  troopers                                                                   
eliminated  by   the  subcommittee  proposal   were  directly                                                                   
involved  in daily oversight  of the  VPSO's and  response to                                                                   
more  serious crimes  in  the villages.   Oversight  troopers                                                                   
travel to villages and  provide on-going training for VPSO's.                                                                   
Those  activities help  establish  relationships between  the                                                                   
VPSO's  and the  troopers  that are  important  to the  local                                                                   
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies  emphasized that the reduction would                                                                   
also eliminate  four Regional Public Safety  Officers (RPSO),                                                                   
which were funded in the  last legislative session.  The RPSO                                                                 
program was  established to provide a  local certified police                                                                   
officer  to  the  rural  areas  of the  State.    RPSO's  are                                                                   
intended to augment trooper  patrol activities.  RPSO's would                                                                   
be  trained  and certified  by  the Alaska  Police  Standards                                                                   
Council as police officers.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde  agreed that public safety  should be a core                                                                   
function.   When that Department received  their allocations,                                                                   
the  Subcommittee  determined which  core  services could  be                                                                   
added  back  and  concluded  that  they were  the  VPSO's  in                                                                   
supervisory roles.   That cut was an attempt  to do the least                                                                   
harm.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Croft  stated  that  the   VPSO  program  is                                                                   
efficient  because partially trained  officers are  placed in                                                                   
the  village  areas.   The  cost  savings  is in  having  the                                                                   
trooper forward.  Trooper's work is very important.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Davies  added  that  these  are some  of  the                                                                   
positions  that  respond to  felony  crime circumstances  and                                                                   
provide the basic training  for the VPSO's.  The program will                                                                   
not  function without  this  type training.   It  is the  key                                                                   
component of the program.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR:      Foster, Moses, Croft, Davies                                                                                     
OPPOSED:       Harris, Hudson, Lancaster, Whitaker, Bunde,                                                                      
               Mulder, Williams                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (4-7).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
HSS#4                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADD:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   AGENCY:      Department of Health & Social Services                                                                          
   BRU:         Family and Youth Services                                                                                       
   Component:   Front Line Social Workers                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   Fund Source                      Amount                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   General Fund                      $977,500                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Davies MOVED to ADOPT HSS#4.   Representative                                                                   
Harris OBJECTED.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  J. Davies discussed  the concern  that social                                                                   
workers  are the  front line  workers for  the Department  of                                                                   
Health  &  Social  Services,  Division  of Family  and  Youth                                                                   
Services.  They  provide  services  to abused  and  neglected                                                                   
children and their families  trying to find the best solution                                                                   
for  a child  that  has been  removed  from the  home due  to                                                                   
neglect  or abuse.  Alaska has  one of  the highest  rates of                                                                   
child  abuse and  neglect in  the nation.  The proposed  cuts                                                                   
would result in the following actions:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   • Lay off of 18 social workers statewide (Fairbanks,                                                                         
      Palmer, Delta,  Kodiak,  Ft. Yukon,  Haines,  Wrangell,                                                                   
      Petersburg, Sitka).    Coupled  with layoffs  in  other                                                                   
      areas (Balloon  project  14), approximately  32  social                                                                   
      workers could  lose their  jobs.   That would  increase                                                                   
      the remaining  social workers  caseload by  five cases.                                                                   
      Social workers  in this  Division already  have  one of                                                                   
      the highest caseloads  in the nation, more  than double                                                                   
      the national standard  of 15  cases.   A cut  like this                                                                   
      will result in  social workers  leaving their  jobs, as                                                                   
      it is an area where turn over rate is already high.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
•    Elimination  of  the  Dual  Track  projects  in  Mat-Su.                                                                   
     Under  the Dual  Track program,  the Division  of Family                                                                   
     and Youth  Services (DFYS) grantee provides  services to                                                                   
     clients  determined  to  be  at  low-risk.    With  that                                                                   
     project,  DFYS  is  able  to  respond  to  100%  of  the                                                                   
     legitimate reports of harm in that area.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   • Increased caseload will affect social workers ability                                                                      
      to investigate reports  of harm.   They will  be unable                                                                   
      to  investigate  all  reports  of   harm  leaving  some                                                                   
      children in  danger.   Ability  to  investigate may  be                                                                   
      reduced by  as much  as  15 to  22% when  all cuts  are                                                                   
      factored in.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   • Increased caseloads will affect social workers ability                                                                     
      to perform  crisis  intervention,  case  planning,  and                                                                   
      other services  that  support  children  and  families.                                                                   
      Children will stay in  foster care longer,  costing the                                                                   
      State more money.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Harris responded  that this  was  a difficult                                                                   
section  of  the Department  of  Health  and Social  Services                                                                   
budget  to  reduce.    He  admitted  that  there  is  a  case                                                                   
overload.   He  warned that  there is  a fundamental  problem                                                                   
within  the  State.   What  is  causing  this harm  to  these                                                                   
children and what is the  State's responsibility versus local                                                                   
responsibility.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Harris  addressed  the  supplemental  funding                                                                   
request from  last year for  Department of Health  and Social                                                                   
Services.    He commented  that  there  are "other"  problems                                                                   
throughout the  State that contribute to the  reports of harm                                                                   
and what government's responsibility  is.  He thought that no                                                                   
matter  how  much  funding  was provided,  the  problem  will                                                                   
continue.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR:      Moses, Croft, Davies                                                                                             
OPPOSED:       Whitaker, Bunde, Foster, Harris, Hudson,                                                                         
               Lancaster, Mulder, Williams                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (3-8).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF LABOR                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Labor #6                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ADD:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
    AGENCY:       Department of Labor & Workforce                                                                               
Development                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
  BRU:      Office of the Commissioner                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
  Component:  Alaska Safety Advisory Council                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
  Fund Source                       Amount                                                                                  
 Statutory Designated Program Receipts (SDPR)                                                                                   
                                    $108,400                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder  explained that  the  Intent Language  would                                                                   
read as follows:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  "The amount  appropriated  by this  appropriation  includes                                                                   
  the unexpended and  unobligated balance  on June  30, 2002,                                                                   
  of the  Department  of  Labor  and  Workforce  Development,                                                                   
  Alaska  Safety   Advisory   Council   receipts   under   AS                                                                   
  18.60.840."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder explained that  the amendment  would restore                                                                   
the  Alaska   Safety  Advisory  Council   (ASAC)  by  funding                                                                   
activities   through  Statutory   Designated  Program   (fee)                                                                   
receipts   (SDPR).  In  effect,   the  general   fund  budget                                                                   
reduction  remains.   The  ASAC  operates   entirely  on  fee                                                                   
receipts  from contracts  with  participants (entrance  fees,                                                                   
booth  rental space and  corporate sponsorships),  who attend                                                                   
the annual safety and health  conference, thereby, qualifying                                                                   
the program as a fee receipt program.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ASAC   provides  the  following   services  which   would  be                                                                   
eliminated:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   • Coordination     with     official    and     unofficial                                                                   
      organizations and agencies to reduce accidental death                                                                     
      and injury;                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   • Recommendations to the governor, the legislature,                                                                          
      State departments and federal agencies, who develops                                                                      
      law, policies and programs addressing safety programs                                                                     
      and accident prevention;                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   • Annual safety conference that brings together over 500                                                                     
      participants interested in safety and health matters.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder  added  that  the staff  would  include  one                                                                   
seasonal clerical  position and 13  non-compensated appointed                                                                   
positions,  consisting  of  individuals  representing  labor,                                                                   
industry, and local, state and federal government.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder MOVED  to ADOPT  Labor #6.   There  being NO                                                                   
OBJECTION, the amendment was adopted.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION & PUBLIC FACILITIES                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DOTPF#11                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
  ADD:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   AGENCY:  Department  of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   BRU:     Marine Highway System                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   Component:  Marine Vessel Operations                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   Fund Source                      Amount                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   Marine Highway Funds 1076        $4,000.0                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hudson  explained  that the  amendment  would                                                                   
allow  the  marine highway  system  to  increase its  revenue                                                                   
charges to offset operating cost increases.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative    Hudson   MOVED   to   ADOPT    DOTPF   #11.                                                                   
Representative Davies OBJECTED.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ANNALEE  MCCONNELL,   DIRECTOR,  OFFICE  OF   MANAGEMENT  AND                                                                   
BUDGET,  OFFICE  OF THE  GOVERNOR,  discussed  inconveniences                                                                   
that would  occur with summer bookings.   The amendment would                                                                   
create a lot of changes for this summer season.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder thought  that the  Department could  look at                                                                   
alternative  means beyond  the scope  of the  amendment.   He                                                                   
suggested  that the proposed amendment  would not  be a total                                                                   
answer, rather a partial remedy.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  commented that  the  amount could  not                                                                   
come close  to the $4 million  dollars.  He pointed  out that                                                                   
it  would affect new  bookings this  summer, a  small number.                                                                   
He  stressed that  this  is a  tax  that will  fall on  local                                                                   
residents.    It  would be  an  increased  tax and  would  be                                                                 
revenue.   He recommended  that all  taxes be discussed  in a                                                                   
package  of taxes.   He  stated  that proposing  the tax  was                                                                   
backward.   The action  does not discuss  the revenue  in any                                                                   
way.    Representative  Croft  emphasized  that this  is  not                                                                   
systematic  and  it  is being  hidden  in  the budget  as  an                                                                   
allowance to raise taxes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Davies   WITHDREW  his   OBJECTION  to   the                                                                   
amendment.   There being  NO further OBJECTION,  DOTPF#11 was                                                                   
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
RECESS:                   11:10 A.M.                                                                                            
RECONVENED:               11:35 A.M.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
LANGUAGE                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder  introduced Language Amendments  #6, #7, #8 &                                                                   
#9.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Language #6                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Insert  in  the beginning  of  the  language  section of  the                                                                   
operating appropriation bill:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. A. R.EAPPROPRIATION OF UNEXPENDED AND UNOBLIGATED                                                                     
  BALANCE.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The unexpended  and unobligated balance  on December 31,                                                                   
     2002, of an appropriation  made in Section B of this Act                                                                   
     is  reappropriated   to  the  Department  to  which  the                                                                   
     appropriation  was made for  operating expenses  of that                                                                   
     Department  during  January 1,  2003,  through June  30,                                                                   
     2003.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Adjust  internal section references  accordingly.   Section B                                                                   
is the  bill section that makes operating  appropriations for                                                                   
the first half of fiscal year 2003.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Language #7                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Insert  in  the beginning  of  the  language  section of  the                                                                   
operating appropriation bill:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   Sec. C. EARLY EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   Notwithstanding  Section D  of this Act,  an appropriation                                                                   
   made  in Section  D of this  Act may  be expended  for the                                                                   
   stated  purpose of  that appropriation  before  January 1,                                                                   
   2003,  contingent upon compliance with  the program review                                                                   
   provisions of AS 37.07.080(h).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Adjust  internal section references  accordingly.   Section D                                                                   
is the  bill section that makes operating  appropriations for                                                                   
the second half of fiscal year 2003.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Language #8                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Insert  on Page  61, following  line 3,  a new subsection  to                                                                   
read:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
    (c) The unexpended  and unobligated balances  on December                                                                   
    31. 2002, of  the appropriations  made in (a) and  (b) of                                                                   
    this section  are  reappropriated  to the  Office of  the                                                                   
    Governor  for  operating  costs  of  the  Office  of  the                                                                   
    Governor for the  period of January 1, 2003,  to June 30.                                                                   
    2003.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Language #9                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Lead-in Language for the Full Year Appropriation                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
* Section  1.  The  following  appropriation  items  are  for                                                               
operating expenditures  from the general fund  or other funds                                                                   
as set  out in Section  2 of this  Act to the  agencies named                                                                   
for  the purposes  expressed  for the  fiscal year  beginning                                                                   
July  1, 2002  and  ending June  30,  2003, unless  otherwise                                                                   
indicated.  A  department-wide, agency-wide,  or  branch-wide                                                                   
unallocated  reduction   set  out  in  this  section  may  be                                                                   
allocated  among the appropriations  made in this  section to                                                                   
that department, agency or branch.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
Lead-in Language for the First-Half Year Appropriation                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
*  Section  1.  The following  appropriation  items  are  for                                                               
operating expenditures  from the general fund  or other funds                                                                   
as set  out in section  4 of this  Act to the  agencies named                                                                   
for  the purposes  expressed for  the portion  of the  fiscal                                                                   
year  beginning July 1,  2002 and  ending December  31, 2002,                                                                   
unless otherwise indicated.   A department-wide, agency-wide,                                                                   
or branch-wide  unallocated reduction or increase  set out in                                                                   
this section  may be allocated among the  appropriations made                                                                   
in this section  or in section 1 to  that department, agency,                                                                   
or branch.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
Lead-in Language for the Second-Half Year Appropriation                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
* Section  1.  The  following  appropriation  items  are  for                                                               
operating expenditures  from the general fund  or other funds                                                                   
as set  out in Section  8 of this  Act to the  agencies named                                                                   
for  the purposes  expressed for  the portion  of the  fiscal                                                                   
year  beginning January  1, 2003  and ending  June  30, 2003,                                                                   
unless otherwise indicated.   A department-wide, agency-wide,                                                                   
or branch-wide  unallocated reduction or increase  set out in                                                                   
this section  may be allocated among the  appropriations made                                                                   
in this section  or in section 1 to  that department, agency,                                                                   
or branch.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1)  The  following  appropriations   are  excluded  from  the                                                                   
process  (i.e.,  they  receive  full  year  appropriation  in                                                                   
Sections 1, 2 and 3 of the bill):                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
  · Language Appropriations                                                                                                     
  · All formula programs                                                                                                        
  · University of Alaska                                                                                                        
  · Courts                                                                                                                      
  · Legislature                                                                                                                 
  · Other Allocations (included in attached list)                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2) The remainder  of the budget is split in  half.  The half-                                                                   
year  appropriations will  appear  as Sections  4 through  9.                                                                   
(Sections 5 and 7 are fund  roll-ups by agency and Sections 8                                                                   
and  9  are  fund roll-ups  statewide.)    Appropriations  in                                                                   
Section 4  are for the  portion of the fiscal  year beginning                                                                   
July 1, 2002 and ending  December31, 2002.  Appropriations in                                                                   
Section 6  are for the  portion of the fiscal  year beginning                                                                   
January 1, 2003 and ending June 30, 2003.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3) In  Sections 4  and 7 reduce  each allocation by  10%, and                                                                   
appropriate the l0% to  new Agency-wide Unallocated Increases                                                                   
components.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4) Unexpended, unobligated  balances from the first half-year                                                                   
are reappropriated to the  respective Agency-wide Unallocated                                                                   
Increases components  for the second  half of the  year.  The                                                                   
amount  of money appropriated  at the  end of the  process is                                                                   
identical to the amount appropriated at the starting point.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5) There is a Legislative  Budget and Audit review process to                                                                   
move  money  from a  second-half  appropriation  to the  same                                                                   
appropriation for the first half-year.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Department of Administration                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 Special Systems                                                                                                                
     Unlicensed Vessel Participant Annuity Retirement Plan                                                                      
     Elected Public Officers Retirement System Benefits                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   Longevity Bonus Grants                                                                                                       
     Longevity Bonus Grants                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Department of Community and Economic Development State                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Revenue Sharing                                                                                                                
     National Program Receipts                                                                                                  
     State Revenue Sharing                                                                                                      
     Municipal Assistance                                                                                                       
     Fisheries Business Tax                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   Safe Communities Program                                                                                                     
     Safe Communities Program                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   Qualified Trade Association Contract                                                                                         
     Qualified Trade Association Contract                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   Alaska Aerospace Development Corporation                                                                                     
     Alaska Aerospace Development Corporation                                                                                   
     Alaska Aerospace Development Corporation Facilities                                                                        
     Maintenance                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   Fisheries Enhancement Tax Receipts                                                                                           
     Fisheries Enhancement Tax Receipts                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority                                                                           
     Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority                                                                         
     Alaska Industrial Development Corporation Facilities                                                                       
     Maintenance                                                                                                                
     Alaska Energy Authority Statewide Operations and                                                                           
     Maintenance                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   Rural Energy Programs                                                                                                        
     Energy Operations                                                                                                          
     Circuit Rider                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   Alaska Science and Technology Foundation                                                                                     
     Alaska Science and Technology Foundation                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute                                                                                           
     Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   K-12 Support                                                                                                                 
     Foundation Program                                                                                                         
     Tuition Students                                                                                                           
     Boarding Home Grants                                                                                                       
     Youth in Detention                                                                                                         
     Schools for the Handicapped                                                                                                
     Community Schools                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 Pupil Transportation                                                                                                           
     Pupil Transportation                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Department of Environmental Conservation                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   Air and Water Quality                                                                                                        
     Air and Water Director                                                                                                     
     Air Quality                                                                                                                
     Water Quality                                                                                                              
     Commercial Passenger Vessel Environmental Compliance                                                                       
     Program                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Department of Health and Social Services                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   Medical and Public Assistance Services                                                                                       
     Alaska Temporary Assistance Program                                                                                        
     Adult Public Assistance                                                                                                    
     General Relief Assistance                                                                                                  
     Old Age Assistance-Alaska Longevity Bonus (ALB) Hold                                                                       
     Harmless                                                                                                                   
     Permanent Fund Dividend Hold Harmless                                                                                      
     Tribal Assistance Programs                                                                                                 
     Child Care Benefits                                                                                                        
     Children's Health Eligibility                                                                                              
     Medicaid Services                                                                                                          
     Catastrophic and Chronic Illness Assistance (AS 47.08)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   Family and Youth Services                                                                                                    
     Foster Care Base Rate                                                                                                      
     Foster Care Augmented Rate                                                                                                 
     Foster Care Special Need                                                                                                   
     Foster Care Alaska Youth Initiative                                                                                        
     Subsidized Adoptions & Guardianship                                                                                        
     Court Orders and Reunification Efforts                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Department of Military and Veterans Affairs                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   Alaska National Guard Benefits                                                                                               
     Retirement Benefits                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Department of Revenue                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   Permanent Fund Corporation                                                                                                   
     Permanent Fund Corporation                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   Alaska Housing Finance Corporation                                                                                           
     Alaska Housing Finance Corporation Operations                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   International Airports                                                                                                       
     International Airport Systems Office                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   International Airports                                                                                                       
     Anchorage Airport Administration                                                                                           
                Anchorage Airport Facilities                                                                                    
     Anchorage Airport Field and Equipment Maintenance                                                                          
     Anchorage Airport Operations                                                                                               
     Anchorage Airport Safety                                                                                                   
     Fairbanks Airport Administration                                                                                           
     Fairbanks Airport Facilities                                                                                               
     Fairbanks Airport Field and Equipment Maintenance                                                                          
     Fairbanks Airport Operations                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Fairbanks Airport Safety                                                                                                   
   Marine Highway System                                                                                                        
     Marine Vessel Operations                                                                                                   
     Marine Engineering                                                                                                         
     Overhaul                                                                                                                   
     Reservations  and Marketing                                                                                                
     Southeast Shore  Operations                                                                                                
     Southwest Shore  Operations                                                                                                
     Vessel Operations Management                                                                                               
     Southeast Vessel Operations                                                                                                
     Southwest Vessel Operations                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
University of Alaska                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   University of Alaska                                                                                                         
     Budget Reductions/Additions - System wide                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   Statewide Programs and Services                                                                                              
     Statewide Services                                                                                                         
     Statewide Networks (ITS)                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   University of Alaska Anchorage                                                                                               
     Anchorage Campus                                                                                                           
     Kenai Peninsula College                                                                                                    
     Kodiak College                                                                                                             
     Matanuska-Susitna College                                                                                                  
     Prince William Sound Community College                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   University of Alaska Fairbanks                                                                                               
     Cooperative Extension Service                                                                                              
     Bristol Bay Campus                                                                                                         
     Chichi Campus                                                                                                              
     Fairbanks Campus                                                                                                           
     Fairbanks Organized Research                                                                                               
     Interior-Aleutians Campus                                                                                                  
     Kuskokwim Campus                                                                                                           
     Northwest Campus                                                                                                           
     Rural College                                                                                                              
     Tanana Valley Campus                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   University of Alaska Southeast                                                                                               
     Juneau Campus                                                                                                              
     Ketchikan Campus                                                                                                           
     Sitka Campus                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Alaska Court System                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
   Alaska Court System                                                                                                          
     Appellate Courts                                                                                                           
     Trial Courts                                                                                                               
     Administration and Support                                                                                                 
   Commission on Judicial Conduct                                                                                               
     Commission on Judicial Conduct                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   Judicial Council                                                                                                             
     Judicial Council                                                                                                           
     Court-watch                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Legislature                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   Budget and Audit Committee                                                                                                   
     Legislative Audit                                                                                                          
     Ombudsman                                                                                                                  
     Legislative Finance                                                                                                        
     Committee Expenses                                                                                                         
     Legislature State Facilities Rent                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   Legislative Council                                                                                                          
     Redistricting Board                                                                                                        
     Salaries and Allowances                                                                                                    
     Administrative Services                                                                                                    
     Session Expenses                                                                                                           
     Council and Subcommittees                                                                                                  
     Legal and Research Services                                                                                                
     Select Committee on Ethics                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   Legislative Operating Budget                                                                                                 
     Legislative Operating Budget                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Debt Service and Special Appropriations Debt Service                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Debt Retirement Fund                                                                                                       
     Certificates of Participation                                                                                              
     School Debt Reimbursement                                                                                                  
     Alaska Clean Water Fund Revenue Bonds                                                                                      
     Alaska Drinking Water Fund Revenue Bonds                                                                                   
     International Airport Revenue Bonds                                                                                        
    Special Appropriations                                                                                                      
          Anchorage Jail Lease                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   Fund Transfers                                                                                                               
     Alaska Children's Trust                                                                                                    
     Alaska Clean Water Fund                                                                                                    
     Alaska Drinking Water Fund                                                                                                 
     Disaster Relief Fund                                                                                                       
     Fish and Game Fund                                                                                                         
     Marine Highway Stabilization                                                                                               
     Municipal Capital Project Matching Grant Fund                                                                              
     Oil and Hazardous Substance Release Prevention Account                                                                     
     Oil and Hazardous Substance Release Response Account                                                                       
     Power Cost Equalization and Rural Electric                                                                                 
     Capitalization Fund                                                                                                        
     Permanent Fund Dividend Fund                                                                                               
     Storage Tank Assistance Fund                                                                                               
      Unincorporated Community Capital Project Matching                                                                         
     Grant Fund                                                                                                                 
     Power Project Fund                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder explained that  Language Amendments  #6, #7,                                                                   
#8 and  #9 would bifurcate  the budget.   Half of  the budget                                                                   
                                            st                                                                                  
would  be appropriated  through  December 31,   2002 and  the                                                                   
                                                 th                                                                             
other half would be appropriated  through June 30,  2003.  He                                                                   
noted  the  list  of  amendments   showing  the  division  of                                                                   
funding.   The  programs that  the Administration  has direct                                                                   
control over  would be funded at 50%.  If  there is a problem                                                                   
within  a  Department,  the  Administration  would  have  the                                                                   
ability  to  come before  the  Legislative  Budget and  Audit                                                                   
Committee (LBA) to request more funds.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder noted  that he  was offering  the amendments                                                                   
Language #6, #7, #8 & #9.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DAVID   TEAL,   DIRECTOR,   LEGISLATIVE   FINANCE   DIVISION,                                                                   
explained  that Amendment #6  would move any  unspent balance                                                                   
          st                                                                                                                    
from the 1  half of the  year to the second half of the year.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  asked  if  the budget  had  ever  been                                                                   
bifurcated before.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Teal did not know of a time it had occurred.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder  interjected  that something  "similar"  had                                                                   
been done before.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft warned  that dramatic consequences could                                                                   
result by cutting the budget as proposed.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Teal advised  that  there would  be problems.   For  the                                                                   
accounting  purposes,  there would  need  to be  a close  out                                                                   
process in December 2002.   If there are problems, it will be                                                                   
an accounting situation, not a budget problem.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder advised  that  there is  a flexibility  tool                                                                   
contained  in Language  #9, which  reduces the  appropriation                                                                   
within each BRU  by 5% for each half year  and places it back                                                                   
into the  Commissioner's Office.   He believed that  it could                                                                   
increase the flexibility within that office.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder  MOVED to ADOPT Language  #6.  Representative                                                                   
Croft OBJECTED.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  commented on the implications  of proposing an                                                                   
amendment of  that magnitude without providing  any lead-time                                                                   
for ample consideration.   She emphasized that if Language #6                                                                   
was    adopted,   it    would   substantially    affect   all                                                                   
administrations  coming into office.   Ms.  McConnell advised                                                                   
that closing out of a budget is not a small matter.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell noted that  there often is tremendous amount of                                                                   
difference between the  first half of the fiscal year and the                                                                   
second half.   It is not  an even type matter  for the budget                                                                   
to  be split  like that.    She stressed  that the  amendment                                                                   
deserves  further consideration.   She  commented  that there                                                                   
are  no good  elements within  the proposal  and pointed  out                                                                   
that  the amendment would  create a  budget every  six months                                                                   
and  will  complicate  any  new  administration  coming  into                                                                   
office 25 days before the  end of the first fiscal year half.                                                                   
She added that  the Division of Finance would  be asked to do                                                                   
more  with  less  money also.    She  could not  project  the                                                                   
practical implications of the motion.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
In   response  to   Representative   Hudson,  Ms.   McConnell                                                                   
explained  that the  process begins  after the  close  of the                                                                   
fiscal year.   She pointed out the statutory  reference.  Ms.                                                                   
McConnell  noted the  many national  level changes  regarding                                                                   
what has  to be reported  and that process is  very involved.                                                                   
She  added  that  there  would  be  additional  complications                                                                   
because of all the work for the federal fiscal year.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hudson voiced concern bifurcating  the budget                                                                   
and the  labor contracts.   He advised that is  a complicated                                                                   
process for the  Departments.  He noted that  he did not feel                                                                   
comfortable with the language amendment package.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Teal explained  that the  amendments are  a package  and                                                                   
that  it is  difficult  to address  them  individually.   The                                                                   
language  gives  the  Governor   the  ability  to  do  things                                                                   
differently,  however,  does  not force  him  to do  anything                                                                   
differently.   He reminded members  that right now  there has                                                                   
been  a significant "holding  the line"  on the budget.   The                                                                   
language  would   provide  "flexibility"  to   the  Governor.                                                                   
Through  the amendment,  the unallocated  reduction  could be                                                                   
taken and  placed into a program  that does not  have as much                                                                   
money as the department  would like it to have and then place                                                                   
it  into another  area.   The  amendment  would provide  more                                                                   
flexibility to the Executive  Branch.  The Governor will have                                                                   
the option to do it or not.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Lancaster   asked  if  the  amendments  would                                                                   
"force" anything on the Administration.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Teal   acknowledged   that   it   would   provide   the                                                                   
Administration a tool.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative   J.  Davies  asked   what  would   happen  if                                                                   
Legislative  Budget  and  Audit  (LBA)  met  and  denied  the                                                                   
request.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Teal  replied  that  if  they denied  the  request,  the                                                                   
Governor could implement it anyway.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Co-Chair   Mulder    voiced   concern   that    the   current                                                                   
Administration  could "tie" the next  administration's hands.                                                                   
The  amendment package  does  provide some  flexibility.   He                                                                   
warned that the amendments  provide a clear division, as this                                                                   
Administration  would  spend  beyond their  full  share.   He                                                                   
added   that  it  was   the  intent   to  provide   the  next                                                                   
administration   with   the  maximum   flexibility  to   make                                                                   
necessary adjustments.   He referenced a  situation last year                                                                   
when  the LBA Committee  turned down  a proposed  expense and                                                                   
the Governor continued to proceed with the project.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft requested greater clarification  of the                                                                   
language amendments.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder advised that  under the current  guidelines,                                                                   
the   amendments   would    not   "totally   hamstring"   the                                                                   
Administration and would have practical implications.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Teal clarified  that  even if  the  Governor chooses  to                                                                   
disregard  the bifurcation portion  of it, which he  could do                                                                   
through the  LBA process, the other portion  is that it takes                                                                   
5% of the  budget and places it into  an unallocated increase                                                                   
so that it gives the administration  more flexibility than it                                                                   
has now  as it  would allow them  to cross  the appropriation                                                                   
line.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Davies  elaborated  that  the  amendment  was                                                                   
clearly a  statement of "lack  of trust and respect"  for the                                                                   
Administration.    He emphasized  that  this  was a  partisan                                                                   
attempt  to bifurcate the  budget into  two pieces at  a time                                                                   
when  the  State is  attempting  to struggle  with  important                                                                   
issues  that  need  bipartisan support.    Representative  J.                                                                   
Davies reiterated that  proposing the language amendments was                                                                   
a transparent bipartisan attack on the current Governor.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Davies   MOVED  to  TALBE  all  the  language                                                                   
amendments before the Committee.  Co-Chair Mulder OBJECTED.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Williams  interjected that a tabling  motion was not                                                                   
debatable.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
A  roll  call vote  was  taken on  the  motion  to table  the                                                                   
language amendments #6, #7, #8 and #9.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR:      Croft, Davies, Moses                                                                                             
OPPOSED:       Foster, Harris, Hudson, Lancaster, Whitaker,                                                                     
               Bunde, Mulder, Williams                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (3-8).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  advised  that  no other  Governor  has                                                                   
taken such action as proposed in Language #6.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to adopt #6.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR:      Foster, Harris, Lancaster, Whitaker, Bunde,                                                                      
               Mulder, Williams                                                                                                 
OPPOSED:       Hudson, Moses, Croft, Davies                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION PASSED (7-4).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Teal spoke to Language  #7 which would allow an agency to                                                                   
come forward and go to LBA for their requests.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder  MOVED to ADOPT Language  #7.  Representative                                                                   
Davies OBJECTED.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft asked  why the amendments had been faxed                                                                   
to the Chairs  office on March 14, 2002, two  days prior.  He                                                                   
asked why they had not  been included in member's packets for                                                                   
consideration with that much lead-time.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder responded that  the Majority  Leadership was                                                                   
"working through  the amendments" to make sure  that they fit                                                                   
in anticipation of any possible problems.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft responded that the  Minority had worked                                                                   
"very  hard" to  get their  80 amendments  to the  Chairman's                                                                   
office by the  cut off deadline.  He stated  that with issues                                                                   
this  large, the  minority  should have  been  given time  to                                                                   
consider  the legal implications  of the language  amendments                                                                   
being proposed.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  pointed  out  that  there had  been  a                                                                   
significant  shift that the  current Legislature  has created                                                                   
during the past four years.   The formula programs are funded                                                                   
at a low  case scenario knowing that a  supplemental would be                                                                   
coming.    Representative  Croft  stressed that  the  Finance                                                                   
Committee  was doing  a dis-service  to both  administrations                                                                   
with  the proposed  bifurcation.   The  implications will  be                                                                   
dramatic.  Overspending  on one hand and under-funding on the                                                                   
other.  He requested that  the language amendments be offered                                                                   
on the House floor in two days.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder took  exception to  the accusation  that the                                                                   
Committee was "knowingly"  under funding certain budgets.  He                                                                   
claimed  that  many  of  the  numbers funded  were  the  ones                                                                   
brought forward by the Governor.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Harris  interjected  that there  are  formula                                                                   
programs that are not subject to bifurcation.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to adopt #7.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR:      Harris, Lancaster, Whitaker, Bunde, Foster,                                                                      
               Williams, Mulder                                                                                                 
OPPOSED:       Moses, Croft, Davies                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hudson was not present for the vote.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION PASSED (7-3).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to ADOPT Language #8.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Teal explained that  the amendment refers to the election                                                                   
costs and  the transition costs that the  Governor requested.                                                                   
The amendment  would allow  for any  money that has  not been                                                                   
                     st                                                                                                         
spent by December  31  to be reappropriated  to the Office of                                                                   
the Governor.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Davies OBJECTED.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to adopt #8.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR:      Lancaster, Whitaker, Bunde, Foster, Harris,                                                                      
               Mulder, Williams                                                                                                 
OPPOSED:       Croft, Moses, Davies                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hudson was not present for the vote.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION PASSED (7-3).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder  MOVED to adopt Language  #9.  Representative                                                                   
Davies OBJECTED.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Teal  explained the amendment would  provide the language                                                                   
that would lead into the number sections of the bill.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Whitaker  asked to respond to accusations made                                                                   
through previous testimony  regarding that the legislation as                                                                   
a manifestation  of partisan  politics.   He agreed  with the                                                                   
notion and  need for parties  to disagree.  He  stressed that                                                                   
the disagreements  should not be mischaracterized  as being a                                                                   
negative thing.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to adopt #9.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR:      Lancaster, Whitaker, Bunde, Foster, Harris,                                                                      
               Mulder, Williams                                                                                                 
OPPOSED:       Davies, Moses, Croft                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hudson was not present for the vote.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION PASSED (7-3).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Davies  MOVED  to  WITHDREW   all  remaining                                                                   
Minority amendments in view of the "nature of the process".                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bunde MOVED  to ADOPT  an amendment,  which would                                                                   
allow the  Division of Legislative Finance  to make technical                                                                   
adjustments  to the legislation.   There being  NO OBJECTION,                                                                   
it was adopted.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde  MOVED to report  CS HB 403 (FIN)  and CS HB
404 (FIN)  out of Committee with  individual recommendations.                                                                   
Representative Davies OBJECTED.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies  maintained that the proposed budget                                                                   
is an  unfair and incomplete  effort at addressing  the needs                                                                   
of Alaska.  He stressed  that a "hold the line" budget should                                                                   
maintain the  same level of  service and the  proposed budget                                                                   
clearly  does not  do that.   The proposed  budget  holds the                                                                   
line  in nominal  dollars but  requires a  high reduction  of                                                                   
services  in  the  amount  of  $80-$90  million  dollars.  He                                                                   
asserted that the proposed  budget should be characterized as                                                                   
a flat-line budget.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft advised that  the Minority  had offered                                                                   
only nine  of the twenty-six  amendments proposed.   The nine                                                                   
amendments  totaled $17 million  general fund  dollars, which                                                                   
represents  less than a  1% increase  to last  year's budget.                                                                   
Representative  Croft  stated that  if  those amendments  had                                                                   
been   adopted,   they   were   designed   to   support   the                                                                   
developmentally  disabled, the front line  social workers and                                                                   
the  Division  of  Family   and  Youth  Services  to  protect                                                                   
children.    He  stressed   that  adoption  of  the  proposed                                                                   
amendments would have made a far better budget.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bunde interjected  that the  budget is  more than                                                                   
just numbers as it is also about philosophy.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Lancaster   acknowledged  that  everyone  has                                                                   
areas of  concerns within the  proposed budget.   He reminded                                                                   
members  that next week,  the Committee would  be considering                                                                   
revenue measures.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Whitaker   commented   that   each  of   the                                                                   
amendments  presented  had  merit.   Transcending  individual                                                                   
amendments is the need  to provide for a stable fiscal future                                                                   
for the State.  He added  that there are necessary components                                                                   
for creating  a long-term fiscal need and  concluded that the                                                                   
proposed budget is not irresponsible.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Harris agreed  that everyone has problems with                                                                   
the proposed budget, however,  the State cannot spend its way                                                                   
out of  the problems nor can  it tax its way  out of trouble.                                                                   
Part of  the solution has to  be a restrain on  spending.  He                                                                   
noted  that the public  has the option  to turn  down revenue                                                                   
sources  that  the  Legislature  proposes.    He  added  that                                                                   
services and dividends  are going to be affected and stressed                                                                   
that  through  taxation,  less money  will  be  going to  the                                                                   
public.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder  claimed that that the proposed  budget was a                                                                   
responsible  one.  He admitted  that it had been  a difficult                                                                   
process.   He advised  that the number  of services  that the                                                                   
public wants is unlimited.  The budget "holds the line",                                                                        
which is the responsible thing to do.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to move the bill                                                                       
from Committee.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR:      Whitaker, Bunde, Foster, Harris, Hudson,                                                                         
               Lancaster, Mulder, Williams                                                                                      
OPPOSED:       Davies, Moses, Croft                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION PASSED (8-3).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CS HB 403 (FIN) and CS HB 404 (FIN) were reported out of                                                                        
Committee with "do pass" recommendations.                                                                                       
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ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 12:31 P.M.                                                                                         

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